the mystery of consciousness

What David Chalmers named "the hard problem" has not been solved: How can the brain produce  consciousness?

No one seem to have the answer for that yet. Although consciousness maybe is the phenomena witch we can be most certain of that it exists.

The definition of  consciousness here is; the way we experience things. In this definition it's quite obvious that even a bat has  om kind of experience, even if  Thomas Nagel and others mean that we can never imagine the "umwelt" of a bat. But even if the experiences for the bat is different from ours its still  consciousness.

But is an ant  conscious - or a plant? We now know that a plant can react to the bite from insect and warn other plants. We know that som flowers can send electric signals to a bee that says, I have a lot of nectar here, come and eat", the bee can answer with another electric signal and when he or she comes both signals fade away.

Descartes meant that animals where machines without souls. Nowadays, for instance Robert Sapolsky (very intelligent professor), means that humans also are machines and like animals without free will. But that means that Sapolsky "machine" in the head is programmed to think so...

The debate about free will and  consciousness may go on forever. And it may be that our consciousness cannot undrestand. Even Chalmers seems to have stopped the search for an answer for if panphsycism is real or not (how can we ever know is an electron is  conscious or not). Thomas Nagel seems to still be pro-panphsycism though.

What we can know is that a bat is conscious and can probably feel joy, fear and so on. Its very clear if you look ar swallows , they really enjoy flying around and chasing each other. 

There must be a middle way between the view of seeing all living things like machines and looking at even matters as things with a soul. 

We can shift our views, we both living in a materialistic world and in a spiritual world. Both are true but in different ways- An example. this two faces or a vase? Well it's both....  


                                                            


Let's say that there are two parts even in our life. One materialistic and on spiritual, and that we need both. We don't have to choose one, but it's good if they are in balance.

It's good to find some meaning in our life, its good for our health, especially i the aim is to do some good for others - I "adopted" an Orangutang child today in Borneo  today, will send a send a small sum of money each month - bur for that I need some income. My income comes mostly from helping handicapped people so also there is both sides represented. I have no illusion of a God but stories from people who have had NDE:s gives me som comfort. The message from the afterlife in the NDE:s seems to be; everyone has a core of love hidden in themselves. For me is also the orangutang Popi included there (as Sapolsky who has studied baboons for a long time ;-)


                                            



                                                                    




                                                  




 

 



 




https://youtu.be/QXElfzVgg6M?si=tncRqIUOqlNZBDbK


Penrose: Consciousness is not computable . It may have to be because it is made of quantum fields. 


Lothar Schafer; there is a cosmic Consciousness, but it doesn't form the empirical world... a quantum field is information that can create the visible world, but human mind is not nessesarey for this

 



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